UHR Population Report Thread
 

As promised in the other UHR thread, I will provide population report numbers on a weekly basis. Feel free to discuss reports from other coin grading companies.

The first set are last weeks numbers and after that are this weeks numbers. If anyone can provide reports for other companies that would be great. Looks like the FS numbers didnt go up much and Im willing to bet as the weeks go by that the numbers will drastically decrease. At this rate we wont have but a few thousand graded FS and the "regular" issues should start seeing a drastic increase

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NGC

Early releases:
68 69 70
5 - 403 - 586


Normal:
68 69 70
1 - 166 - 256


So that gives you both PCGS & NGC totals to
4-5-09

Best wishes,

HS

Hats off to the above POSTER "RODZM!" :36_3_12:

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Thanks HS I hope to keep this thread going with the numbers. I dont have NGC access but if anyone can provide the numbers for NGC on a weekly basis it will give us a good trend on grades. Ill be provding PCGS numbers every Sunday. The lower NGC numbers could be because their cutoff was 3/9 instead of PCGS's 3/11 cutoff

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if you want to buy some
first strike they are online for $2800 in ms70 which i think is GREAT for the price of gold.

if people are already willing to pay over $2500 for an ounce of gold that was just minted this year...they should have no problem buying gold when the spot price is $2500 either.

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Thanks a lot for this thread rodzm. I really do appreciate it a lot.

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No problem...Im hoping to see what the numbers are in the coming months for both PCGS and NGC

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That is a good point. The average buyer now is wiser than the average buyer will be once the masses start buying, so it is very likely that you will be able to charge a lot more than the price of spot. I'm not advocating ripping anyone off, just saying that a lot of people will want to get their hands on some PM without thinking of the actual price they should be paying.

How many members have sent off their coins from the mint to get them graded? How much does that cost? Are UHRs minted to a higher standard than say your average GAE so that a higher percentage come back MS 69/70?

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Only 9 coins came back from both major graders as MS68.

That breaks down to the MINT doing a fine job - note the high rate of MS70s too over the MS69s.

Inquire at the above graders re: their collectors clubs. compare the cost versus the turn in at the local coin shop charge.

I'd turn in MY UHR and few coins/bullion and join the club(s) if I wanted a grading slab, I would.

:36_3_12:

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I'm curious are the slabs on the UHR holders thicker than the regular PCGS slabs? Do they fit in one of those PCGS boxes? I'm holding out until I can pick one up closer to spot. I think the mintage will be going higher than a lot of people think.

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Dont know about the slab thickness but I would imagine that they are standard size and should fit the boxes. You wont be able to pick them up closer to spot, if you think so please send me some of that good stuff that you can smoke. Think about it, the mint will not be selling UHRs under a specific price. Minting on these will not go very high, they will not make 500,000 of them or even 250,000...theyre having trouble acquiring gold for their regular items so what makes people think the mintage will go very high is beyond me. The markup on them will always be between $340-389 and thats a guaranteed premium you will have on the coins because of the mint's pricing structure of UHRs http://catalog.usmint.gov/wcsstore/C...ldCoinGrid.pdf

You may want to think again about waiting on them. Even if gold spot drops to $700 you will still pay almost $1100.

Just sayin.........

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I agree.:15_1_70v:

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Oh did I forget to mention that even if gold suddenly dropped to $500 you would still have to pay $889 for your UHR. Still higher than today's spot price.

I think we all can agree that they will never sell close to spot


Again....Im just saying :15_1_70v:

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Very good point. I was actually considering picking up another one, but decided to buy just a regular GAE. To buy a GAE from APMEX, it cost me $1,015 out the door:36_1_25:

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Frankly, with the so-called rationing (which is hard to work around - but not impossible); the high price over spot; the one-year time span; the MOST beautiful coin in the world since ancient Greek coins (not my words but all the mags and books); the first class way they are done up; the difference in price to the 1907 originals; the great presentational box and book -- to me it's a slam DUNK these puppies will appreciate big time way over spot.

With spot going to $1,250 in the next big wave - well it's like an 8 foot basket ball player jumping up for the SLAM dunk.

:5_1_120::5_1_120:

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Which would put the coin at a price of ONLY $1,589 if it follows the mint's schedule. I dont think more than 150,000 of them will be minted. Most of everyone that wanted them have already ordered. Certainly the UHR will not have numbers exceeding 150,000

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the '09 GAE are only $960 right now why did it cost over $1000?

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The coin itself was $966.95 and shipping and handling was $48.96!

I paid with my credit card (mistake, I know). I just don't feel like sending in a check and prolonging the process.

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Nobody knows the future but I wonder if your number might be a tad HIGH. :Surrender:

I don't know the figures will be out within a year - they should close sales on 12-31-09 OR BEFORE it something UNTOWARD (crisis) happens. :thumb.aspx:

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Is there any way to find out how many UHR's have been minted?

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Yeah. Wait until 12-31-09 and then wait until "they" tell you the numbers. (They just cancelled my fourth UHR: so the numbers will be less ONE!) :sad: And I was trying to build a small collection too!

SO....If you believe them :thumb.aspx: (yeah, like there's 281 million ounces of gold in FORT KNOX! Ask G.A.T.A. :111:) They love to inflate some numbers and deflate others take a look at the CPI which is actually some 14% they say 5% - or unemployment at a true 19.8% they say 8.5%.

Everything is topsy turvy and what's right is wrong. :signs14: But that's the way it is with temporary folks on TOP trying to get as much as they can until they are replaced by something worse. :yes::111::111:

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Allright guys its time for the weekly PCGS reports. According to the latest reports there has been an added 144 coins to the FS designation with 96 of them grading MS70 and 48 grading MS69

On the "regular" designation there has been 409 added with a total of 2 coins added as MS68, 145 added as MS69 and 262.

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Thanks rodzm! I look forward to these every Sunday. Any prediction on what the final number will be for the FS MS70's? I am sure it will start bottoming out here in a little bit.

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Dont know but since I began posting the results we have only had 255 more FS MS70's so the average so far is about 127 every week. I think the numbers will drastically keep going down in the next few weeks...my opinion is there will be no more than 3,500 FS MS70's. I would imagine most that wanted the FS designation have already submitted theirs.

Let's do a little math...there are about 36 weeks left of this year and if 125 come back every week as FS MS70 there will only be a total of about 6,500 designated as FS MS70 an outrageous number

These are numbers in the very best and perfect scenario and we all know that 125 are not coming back every week as FS MS70 because there are very few left out there that are eligible.

So lets say half of the 6,500 come back eligible and we wil be left with just over 3,000 coins as First Strike. My best guess is that about 1800-2200 will be the final number for FS MS70 and even that is stretching it out a bit

Food for thought.....

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I predict the "final" number, if you will, will be around 2,750-3,000. That leaves room for about 1,600 more to be graded FS MS70.

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NGC today:


Early Releases = MS68- 5; MS69- 399; MS70- 589

Later Graded = MS68- 1; MS69- 229; MS70- 344

:36_3_12: MS70 total only = 973 from NGC with over 2,039 from PCGS only 3,012 total of the 53,373 BELOW so far, right?


From BUYINGSILVERS:

2009 Ultra High Relief Sales History
Date Total Sales Change
1/26/2009 40,727

2/8/2009 45,420 +4,693
2/16/2009 47,999 +2,579
2/22/2009 49,788 +1,789
3/1/2009 51,398 +1,610
3/9/2009 52,373 +975



Also for those that care. This UHR Double Eagle was a REDO. It seems that two 1907 28MM diameter Eagles LIE in the SMITHSONIAN the Nation's Atic - which were St. Gauden's FIRST
try at doing the JOB from the Liberties $20 size. He doubled a TEN dollar size and MADE two that are in the ATIC now. So the new MINT just did a REDO on the prior with more advanced DIES and PRESSES.

It is funny how government always stays the course one-way-or-another.

Best wishes,

HS

PS imagine having one of the two in the Smithsonian - you can when you order a 2009 UHR - that's a BIG COOL!

I did some more research on the ORIGINAL 1907 COIN which is an exact copy of the 2009 coin except for the DATE. They made 20 of these and melted them down leaving only the TWO now in the SMITHSONIAN atic of America. Also this 1907 COIN (pattern: that means wasn't a regular issued coin) is LISTED as "ONE OF THE 100 BEST American Coins." Dad at 85 just called for one for mom; his second, and they told him ONLY one per HOUSEHOLD. Got YOURS?

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My ONE of 1,386 PCGS MS70 UHR Eagles First Strike arrived today USPS Express. (After the MINT cancelled two of my other orders - as Peck's Little Bad Boy got caught again!) :offtopic::haha::haha:

It looks PRETTY in PLASTIC. Now I know what the others I see will grade by comparing quickly.

Thanks for the Population reports from PCGS: RODZM. :36_1_32v::36_3_16:

HS

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I feared that I wouldn't like it slabbed, regardless of the grade, but man oh man. It sure is purrty in that PCGS slab (and the MS70 FS designation makes it all the better!):565:

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So I'm going to repeat a question from another thread a day ago:

http://goldismoney.info/forums/showp...postcount=1171

If the mint has to replace the dies every 500 coins or so (which I read somewhere, or is that not correct?) how does a first strike designation mean anything at all?

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If you can try to get another in REGULAR BOX SHAPE - the next few months - "I FEAR" (I feel like Mel Gibson in "The Patriot" how IRONIC) - that things are going to really change rapidly (quickly fast soon) - that we won't be able to get these coins much longer. And that the 2009 yearly time period will end sooner.

After all if you are astute you'll remembr that they were supposed to MINT in November of 2008 but waited until MARCH of 2009 - no mater what reasons they gave - my VHG&O is that we'll only have a six month window on these March through about September.

By October we'll MIGHT have stock market crash TWO! :36_3_12:

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Some people buy the slab and NGC & PCGS have a side business on FIRST STRIKE deals; as the post below says - the first 30 days of issue on the slab.

However:
This coin is listed as one of the top USA coins the top 100 - from JUST 2 pattern coins in the Smithsonian - Judd-1917; I believe is the number. They made another 20 and melted them down - this was a REDO of Saint Gauden's BEST Idea. DYODD

It is awful hard to see that we're living history until you are a day too late. Wisdom goes with age - sadly.

Frankly:
But I'd buy these hands down to any bullion coin right now. Hope that helps read the entire UHR thread for more info.

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First Strike is a designation given to the coins received in the first 30 days of issue. It is clearly stated on the capsule.
http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/w.../label-1-1.jpg

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Allright guys for those of you wondering just how many UHRs have been sold as of April 12th here are the numbers. Drumroll please!!!!!!!!!

UHRs to date is 58,318

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Really? That's not very many! Where did you find such privillaged information?

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I'm hoping final mintage is 87,000

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I got my secret sources :tongue_ma:

Nahhh just kidding...there was an article put out by Numismaster a couple of days ago with lots of figures. The article though mainly talks about the Puerto Rico quarter.

My opinion is that these quarters are sleepers right now and before you know it they will explode. Everybody knows how expensive it is to get a 1999 Silver proof set, this could easily be the same

Here's the article http://www.numismaster.com/ta/numis/...ArticleId=6598

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There would be a lot more if they wouldn't KEEP catching me. :bash: They JUST don't wanna play ball with me = :playingba

:thumb.aspx:

Great INFO. thanks for the insight.

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Well it looks like 5945 were sold between 3/9 and 4/12 essentially an average of about 850 coins per week.

If we stay on the same track until the end of year the final mintage would be roughly 89000

And we all know sales cant stay like this until EOY.

Another tidbit....only 5.4% of the 58318 total have graded MS70

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Good "stuff" I was thinking about 75,000 total as a POOR guesstimate from this ole boy's nogin'.

That stacks up to 18 UHR 1907 originals.

And 12,500 ish HR 1907 originals.

I just got the book and it's fun to read about all the crooks:

Frankel's - "DOUBLE EAGLE - the epic story of the world's most valuable coin."

Seems Sec. of Treasury Woodin sold us out and it killed the old boy rather quickly. I'm reading BURN the CURRENCY BERNARKE Ben's book - "Essays on the Great Depression," because of the George S. Patton's movie "Patton."

This other BORN in Los Angeles fellow said in the movie, "ROMMEL I read your book and that's why I beat your a$$."

HS:wink: PS Burn the currency hates GOLD!

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All good information guys. I really appreciate everything. It looks like we have ourselves a winner (especially if you have a FS MS70!). Congrats to you all on obtaining such a beautiful piece of history.

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Im just interested to know what is considered a low mintage when it comes to modern coins.

Im wondering if there is any way that we could somehow figure out the potential in price of a MS70 UHR by comparing it to a similar mintage number MS70 Gold Eagle. I guess it wouldnt be accurate at all.

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I am very curious as well, for I am new to numismatics. In fact, this is my first numismatic piece. I heard people throw around figures a month or two ago that were in the 150,000-200,000 range for the final mintage of the UHR. Obviously they are way off. My predicition is that their will be somewhere between 75,000-90,000 minted.

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Tomorrow we will see if there is any drastic increase in FS. Im willing to bet that not many of them will be FS from now on since most have gotten graded already and we should be seeing a good increase in "regular" gardes.

Im undecided now if I should send my second UHR in for grading but send it in to NGC instead of PCGS. I dont have a good feeling about it and think it would get a 69 but hey I could be wrong...im almost clueless on what to look for in coin grading.

I have to agree that the final mintage will be more like 80,000-90,000 especially since the mint seems to be enforcing the 1 coin per household rule

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I totally agree. There will be an obvious dramatic decrease in FS MS70's for sure.

You already have one graded FS MS70 corrrect?

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Yeah mine was graded Thursday and it shipped Friday. That is the first coin I have sent in for grading so Im excited to have my first coin be a FS MS70.

Have you had any graded????

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Oh yea, I remember you telling us about it. Congrats nonetheless. Yes, I got mine graded a while ago. Came back FS MS70 and I was :565: all day. This is also the first coin I have ever had graded.

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Mine is still in the box. I'm planning on waiting for a year to see how well the "First Strikes" appreciate.

Mr Gekko, have you also received your book? Mine arrived this week.

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Originally Posted by rodzm
Im just interested to know what is considered a low mintage when it comes to modern coins.

Im wondering if there is any way that we could somehow figure out the potential in price of a MS70 UHR by comparing it to a similar mintage number MS70 Gold Eagle. I guess it wouldnt be accurate at all.

I am very curious as well, for I am new to numismatics. In fact, this is my first numismatic piece. I heard people throw around figures a month or two ago that were in the 150,000-200,000 range for the final mintage of the UHR. Obviously they are way off. My predicition is that their will be somewhere between 75,000-90,000 minted.
__________________

Even though the coins GAE and the UHR RHYME with the figure on the front of them - they do not rhyme on the backs - the obverse. Also the only coin that the UHR "really" rhymes with is the UHR 1907 Original which is only some 18 coins (estimate nobody has the correct number).

The only other thing to look at is a HR Double Eagle of 1907 which in MS67 run $300,000.00 - so that's not a true comparison either. Only the grade for a very similar coin. The GRADING ratios and specific mint personal care - are all off.

My VHO is that these coins the UHR - will double and triple from HEREIN out after 2010 - if they are the only ones and REALLY will ZOOM if they stop making them suddenly. Supply would then cease and demad will kick up. By the way study the Saint Gaudens recent price hikes since the 2009 was announced. They have been dramatically going up especially with the super printing of the FED and the paper dollar with their digitalization in the multi-trillions. Not everyone is a fool trusting in paper. IN GOD WE TRUST and HE says, "Gold and Silver are real money." Period. :signs14::111: But, all this is worth what you paid for it - ZERO ZIP NADA - but was good for me to write out what I think might should will maybe can who knows HAPPEN.

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Unfortunately, I have yet to receive the companion book. I was lucky getting the coin "early". The book...not so much. We'll see what happens though.

Have you received your book?

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Hey guys anybody wonder why there is UH1 and UH3

UH1 being the coin and UH3 being the book??? My best guess is that the mint purposedly left the UH2 available due to the palladium coin being a posibility. Nw that there is revived talks about a Palladium UHR and it coming only in the form of a set there is achance that UH2 will be taken by the set.

Im almost willing to bet that if this bill passes and it gets signed this year that they will cease all production of your single UHRs to start selling the sets at which time this set could only see a production of maybe 10,000-20000 total putting the mintage of all UHRs at about 80,000-85,000 and Palladium mintage of 10,000-20,000

This is the only year the Palladium coin could be made, no other year due to the requirement by the UHR to be a one year only coin. Unless of course the bill gets modified and we get the set next year.
I want a Palladium UHR but not having to buy a set

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Allright guys and gals...this weeks numbers are in. Drumroll please!!!!!!!

It looks like only a total of 96 coins were added to the total of First Strikes while 76 of them were FS MS70, 19 were MS69 and one unlucky soul got a FS MS68

On the regular side of things a total of 361 where added with one unlucky soul receiving an MS68, 119 MS69s and 241 were MS70's

So all in all the drop in FS MS70s has gone from 144 between April 5 and 12 to 96 between April 12 and 19


Overall a total drop of 33% in FS MS 70's added. If the numbers drop the same we should have an added total of anywhere between 60-65 coins to the FS MS70 designation next week.

Here is a summary

April 12

First Strikes
MS68- 2
MS69- 618
MS70- 1386

Regular
MS68- 3
MS69- 315
MS70- 653

April 19

First Strikes
MS68- 3 +1
MS69- 637 +19
MS70- 1462 +76

Regular
MS68- 4 +1
MS69- 434 +119
MS70- 894 +241

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Wow! What a big drop. I expected a drop, but definitely not this dramatic. There are going to be less FS MS70's than I originally anticipated:getdown:

And of course, thanks rodzm for the weekly update.:36_1_32v:

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I'd REALLY LAUGH if the US Mint stops SUDDENLY making the UHR because of some baloney made-up reason.

That'll make us all scramble. I'd love to see gold hit $1,200 this week TOO!

Perhapos geopolitical? Armstrong said TODAY MIGHT be the BLOW off start date for GOLD!

:36_3_12::yes:

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Alright guys the new numbers are in for the totals mintage as of 21 April. It now stands at...59,593

Which is an increase in 9 days of 1,275

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Wow, that's kind of a lot. I imagine sales will slowly drop off, but 1,275 in just 9 days is a bit much.

What do you think?

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They JUST cancelled me for the THIRD TIME - "dirty rotten mint checking perps" - on their one-to-a-family-RATIONING-rule.

:haha::haha::haha::aetsch:

Maybe that's why the sales are falling off.

banchabanchabancha

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Stop trying so hard...maybe they will remove the ration Or you can buy one from Ebay. :111:

My First Strike came in today

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Congrats, Sure is a purdy coin, isn't it!
Looks like something worth holding on to.
Personally, I like them in the holder...nicer to view and handle.
I can leave the box and crap that came with it. It just collects dust in the closet.

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Well done. Cool coin.

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Today was definitely a good day, Im still thinking wether I should send in my ungraded one to NGC. I really like the way coins look in slabs, almost like a museum case. One thing I dont like is that it doesnt fit perfectly insde the box. Im thinking about buying one of those mahogany boxes with glass and key

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Congratulations! I bet that brighted your day.

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Sure did...its always a good day when you receive 3 boxes worth of PM's. Got some quarters to complete my satet quarter set, a 2009 Brittania, 10 Engelhard prospectors and the UHR. Good day indeed

I keep telling myself that Im tapped out for the month of April to buy PM's but I always end up selling some of my vintage toys to get another fix

If there is a flood or fire at least I know my PM's will come out allright

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You're living the life, enjoy it.

p.S. I agree with you about the UHR looking nice slabbed. I was hesitant at first, but I really do like it slabbed (I wonder if I would have a different tune if it was graded MS69?:4_1_72:)

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Old friend - frankly the MINT box is rather GREAT period. They are bring the same price as the PCGS First Strike MS69s.

My advice is to humbly wait and see; keeping the MINT box wiith the coin in it - safe, close, dear, and quietly.

I'm waiting (with the other 48,000 UHR holdeers in the RED box) for a sudden really UP bump in prices and the MINT pulling a fast one; but, frankly I'm rather suspicious by nature. :hahaha::hahaha::fan:

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Boy are you a TRUE confessor! :36_3_12::111:

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:111: I certainly try!

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I'm so JEALOUS I could just SPIT! Just Kidding - picture is fantastic - PROOF LIKE too.

:clap2:

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Oh Mr Gekko it wouldve been a different tune. I paid $1785 for a sealed First Strike Eligible box on Ebay and to get a MS69 wouldve been VERY dissapointing.

Living the good life???? Ohhhhh hardly my friend, Ive just learned from my past economic mistakes (can you say credit score 496) But Im doing much better this time around, it pays off to manage your finances better

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I imagine so. APMEX is selling the PCGS MS69 UHR for the same price as the coin in the original box ($1595.) On the other hand, that's $356 more than the price the mint charges for the same coin today.

:cry1:

Go to the US mint web site and buy one, damn it!

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I still can't help but feel sorry for those poor people getting the 68's.

Esp as so many are coming back 70. This is one coin where as a percentage, 70 is really not that big a deal. Good job on the Mints part this time.

Looking forward to the Palladium.

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Allright guys, once again is this weeks population report and oh goodness are there some nice numbers to post. Hmmmm....just check out the numbers below and judge for yourself

April 19

First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 637
MS70- 1462

Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 434
MS70- 894


April 26

First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 645 +8
MS70- 1480 +18
=================
Total First Strikes= 2,128 +26

Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 530 +96
MS70- 894 +102
=================
Total Regular= 1,530 +198


I predicted that if the current trend keeps up that we would have aprox 60-65 coins added to the FS designation, boy was I wrong by a huge margin. The drop from last week until this week was almost a 70% drop

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Yea, that definitely would have been disappointing. But, fortunately for you, it's a moot point.

Enough can't be said about how important it is to properly manage one's finances.

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Wow! What a drop. This is exactly what I like to wake up to Sunday mornings. Thanks rodzm for your continued generosity.:15_1_70v:

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No problems GG, Ive been looking forward to Sundays just to see the numbers and they are a bit shocking to me. I have a feeling that from now on even the regular UHRs will have a drastic drop. Never mind the FS eligible coins.

Basically the only ones submitted now for FS will be ones that are sealed in packaging and seriously how many of those are still out there. To put it into perspective there is only 2 on Ebay that I know of currently that are eligible for First Strike

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If it helps, I just got my coin yesterday and on the certificate it's labeled as Business Strike. Not sure what that means, but the coin is beautiful. It looks like a proof coin. I'm very happy with this purchase.

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What was it graded?

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NGC today:


Early Releases: MS70= 590 MS69= 401 MS68= 5

Regular Releases: MS70=655 MS69= 402 MS68 = 1

Usually the first releases run well ahead of the regular ones; in most recent bulk bullion type coins. I wonder perhaps if this coin might be a tad different; especailly if they halt production, right?:boxing:

Okay PCGS has graded UHR to date: MS70 total = 2374

Okay NGC has graded UHR to date: MS70 total = 1245


NGC now BRINGS higher resale prices than PCGS - funny how the numbers do matter.

Now there over 50,000 UNGRADED STILL way out there too, however, right?

Interestingly just to date: PCGS has twice the business in MS70s.

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Did you mean the certificate that came with the coin, if so the term "business strike" refers to a coin struck for the purpose of becoming circulating coinage; a coin meant for commerce, rather than for collectors.

As opposed to "First Strike" which is a designation given by PCGS to coins packaged and delivered by the U.S. Mint in the 30 day period following the initial sales date of a new product

On the note of business strike, does anyone intend to use it for commerce or perhaps a pocket coin???? LOL

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Thanks for clearing this up for me rodzm. It said business strike on the cert that came with the coin. I wasn't sure what that meant. The coin hasn't been graded yet.

I don't plan on using it as a pocket coin, it's just too beautiful. Unfortunately my pocket coins have a bad habit of getting lost in boating accidents.

I really do not want to lose this one. :biggrin:

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NGC now bringing higher prices than PCGS - over a $100 per coin slabbed - in all numbers and first releases too. :36_1_34::5_1_120::5_1_120::23_30_104:

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Sales for the UHR are now at 60,366. Article here:
http://numismaster.com/ta/numis/Arti...ArticleId=6640

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IIRC, that's not many more since the last time you reported.:36_1_34:

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Its about that time once again. This week with increased numbers as opposed to last week

April 26

First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 645
MS70- 1480


Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 530
MS70- 894


May 2

First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 667 +22
MS70- 1,503 +23
=================
Total First Strikes=2,173 +45

Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 663 +133
MS70- 1,125 +231
=================
Total Regular= 1,792 +364

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NGC today:

Early releases UHR 2009:

MS68/MS69/MS70/TOTAL
5 - 399 - 591 - 995


Regular graded UHR 2009:

MS68/MS69/MS70/TOTAL
2 - 529 - 809 - 1340

Best wishes,

HS

so PCGS has about three times the early releases in MS70

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Thank you sir.

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Looks like the new mint numbers are in. An increase of 607 UHRs in 12 days

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http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/Bas...ion=MS&print=1

NGC coins

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Anyone have any idea when they will release that "Special Set" that is as yet not announced in the "Comemorative Coins" section? With only 50,000 units, that should sell-out quickly and be quite the collectible.

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What exactly are you talking about..... If youre talking about a gold/palladium set the bill hasnt even been introduced to the senate, hell I dont even think the House has signed it yet.

Truthfully I doubt there will be a Palladium UHR since it can only be made as part of a set and since the gold UHR isa one year only coin that means they would have to put the set together this year. It is May and the mint currently has a backlog on new orders for 4-5 weeks https://answers.usmint.gov/cgi-bin/u...hp?p_faqid=218

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In your post with the "stats" page, there is a Commemorative Coins section. Under that section is listed a special release, which is shown as "not announced". It appears that this will be only 50,000 units.

I just wondered if anyone knew what this was. I have heard mention of some-sort of special Lincoln themed released, rumored to contain and actual COPPER PENNY! Just wondering, that's all.

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Ahhh gotcha...now I know what you mean. This I think is supposed to be the Lincoln Chronicles set http://mintnewsblog.blogspot.com/200...s-set.html???? Maybe Im worng but there will be a release later in the year with the Lincoln commemorative dollar with 4 cents of the same composition as 1909 cents.

My apoligies if I came out rude, it was not my intent. I do believe the set will be limited to 50,000 since i know for a fact that 50,000 of the Lincoln commemorative dollars were not sold because they were reserved for the set.

Hope that helps

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Thanks! That's exactly what I was looking for.

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Just to put ya'll on early notice, the next report will show one more FS MS70. Ask me how I know...:23_31_2:

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Well guys it looks like the report is in and only 28 added to the First Strike totals, here are the numbers:


May 2

First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 667
MS70- 1,503
=================
Total First Strikes=2,173

Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 663
MS70- 1,125
=================
Total Regular= 1,792



May 9

First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 681 +14
MS70- 1,517 +14
=================
Total First Strikes=2,201 +28

Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 734 +71
MS70- 1,187 +62
=================
Total Regular= 1,925 +133

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Thanks a lot Rodzm. Sorry it took me a while to say thanks. I have been pretty busy as of late. Sure seems like the MS70 FS additions have basically bottomed out. That is a good thing. Seems like they have also bottomed out on ebay for $2,200-$2,300. Should only go higher from here. There are berrily even any for sale on ebay relative to the normal UHR.

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http://www.ngccoin.com/poplookup/Bas...ion=MS&print=1


Now NGC has added TWO NEW UHR's grades:

"THE Mint State Proof LIKE!"

in both Early Release and Regular Release.

Boy they are RARE! :wink::wink::wink::wink::wink:

Like an EYE twitch! :111:

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As of May 10th the latest UHR mintage number is 61,757

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UHR 4,200 plus NGC & PCGS graded -

out of 61,000 plus minted.

64% are MS70s.

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Just got mine. I like it. I do see that people think it is small, but it feels beefy. The extra relief really makes it stand out. I always loved the eagle side of the St Gaudens.

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That time of the week once again...and a drasatic decrease as of last week.

And to top it off we also have one very very very pissed off and unlucky soul who got a regular MS66 :cry1:

Plus two added to the regular MS68

May 9

First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 681
MS70- 1,517
=================
Total First Strikes=2,201

Regular
MS68- 4
MS69- 734
MS70- 1,187
=================
Total Regular= 1,925



May 16

First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 688 +7
MS70- 1,533 +16
=================
Total First Strikes=2,224 +23

Regular
MS66- 1 +1
MS68- 6 +2
MS69- 767 +33
MS70- 1,225 +38
=================
Total Regular= 1,999 +74

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NGC:

2009 UHR

REGULAR: MS68=2 MS69=660 MS70=954 TOTAL=1616

REGULAR MSPL: MS69=20 MS70=18 TOTAL=38


EARLY RELEASES: MS68=5 MS69=408 MS70= 594 TOTAL=1007

EARLY RELEASE MSPL= MS69=11 MS70=6 TOTAL=17


2,678 GRADED TO DATE

THINGS ARE SLOWING DOWN. :ok:

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Bet the guy with the 66 wishes he could send it back.

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C'mon its a rare one, only one of its kind:4_1_72:

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Yes, the high relief (not the Ultra or Extra) $20 coin of 1907 brings a cool $100,000 today - so that's not a slack grade. But in these MODERN coins one must have the bestest greatest highest super most 70 grade.

Frankly if that is your MODERN COIN "thingie" - they have a FIRST RELEASE Mint State Proof Like MS70 at Modern Coin Mart (google it) for a cool $4,300.00 delivered.

One of six so far. They have only 11 of the MS69 First Release Proof Likes graded too.


But I myself find it hard to see the difference between a 69 and a 70 in these modern coins or bullion Business Strikes or even in the "W" extra step Mint coins - and the 69 was only 40% of the price.

"Ain't that a kick in the pocketbook - and head," as the song goes. But that's just me a real CHEAPO!

:Surrender::signs14::thumb.aspx::5_1_120::36_1_34: :getdown::banana::565:

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Latest UHR numbers as of 5/17 is a total of 62,528

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6,951 graded by NGC & PCGS

of the 62,500 plus minted.

about 11% graded to date by the biggies! :wink:

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Wow! Looking at Rodzm's latest chart, The uncirc. E. Monroe spouse looks like it unseated the '97 Jackie Robinson Commem. for lowest mintage modern US gold coin, 4519 units vs. I think over 5200 for the Robinsons.

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http://www.rallymonkey.com/video.php

Turn on the sound for the COINS! :getdown:

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The FS MS70s are very rare now on Ebay. There are only a handful of them for sale at any point in time. I saw one go for $2,500 a few days ago. Definitely glad I decided to hang onto mine instead of flipping it.

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You're a smart man, Mr. Gekko. Wouldn't have expected anything less from you. it's going to be worth a heck of a lot in 10 years time. Massive upside.

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Thanks Apocalypto. You are a true gentleman. We certainly have picked a beautiful coin to hang onto for the long haul. It is truly an honor to possess such a brilliant piece of history. I get it out of my safe maybe one or two times a week just to look at it. 10 years from now, you are correct; it will be worth a buttload. It is already worth over double what I paid for it.

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Sorry guys I was away at a weekend long family retreat but here are the latest numbers. Oh and a whopping 4 were added to the First Release numbers:

May 16

First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 688
MS70- 1,533
=================
Total First Strikes=2,224

Regular
MS66- 1
MS68- 6
MS69- 767
MS70- 1,225
=================
Total Regular= 1,999



May 23

First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 692 +4
MS70- 1,533
=================
Total First Strikes=2,228 +4

Regular
MS66- 1
MS68- 6
MS69- 812 +45
MS70- 1,252 +27
=================
Total Regular= 2,071 +72

And thats all folks...great week for silver by the way

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As always, Rodzm, your weekly updates are more than appreciated. This is very good news for MS70 FS owners as none were added this week.

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I was wondering why they were asking more for a NGC 70 than a PCGS 70 in early/first status by a hundred dollars of more.

It's the numbers graded of course.

But the funny thing is that there are some 54,000 ungraded to date.

Go figure? :emotions16::15_1_70v:

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I would be pissed if I got the one that graded MS66. lol

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I've still got mine in the box, Mr. Gekko. And I'm sure it's a 70 (I'm psychic). So you may as well add mine to the list.

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Why not submit it then...you do have a high chance of it getting a 70. It seems as though FS MS70's are starting to pick back up in price. Not too many on the secondary market (Ebay)

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Haha, touche. Do you have 2? One graded and one still in the original packaging?

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***Raises hand*** I do, I do

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Haha, this coin really does bring out the kid in all of us.

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Hey Rodzm, not to pester you, but, do you have the numbers from a week ago? Thanks.

GG

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NGC:

2009 UHR

REGULAR: MS67= 1 MS68=2 MS69=848 MS70=1,174 TOTAL=2,025

REGULAR MSPL: MS69=36 MS70=26 TOTAL=62


EARLY RELEASES: MS68=5 MS69=400 MS70= 593 TOTAL=998

EARLY RELEASE MSPL= MS69=11 MS70=6 TOTAL=17 (same number)


GRADED TO DATE= 3,103

:5_1_120:

No more MS70 Proof Likes at $4,300.00

http://www.moderncoinmart.com/cart1/home.php?cat=194

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May23

First Strikes
MS68- 3
MS69- 692
MS70- 1,533
=================
Total First Strikes=2,228

Regular
MS66- 1
MS68- 6
MS69- 812
MS70- 1,252
=================
Total Regular= 2,071



May 30

First Strikes
MS68- 4 +1
MS69- 701 +9
MS70- 1,541 +8
=================
Total First Strikes=2,246 +18

Regular
MS66- 1
MS68- 7 +1
MS69- 884 +72
MS70- 1,281 +29
=================
Total Regular= 2,173 +102

Sorry for the delay...busy busy week

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No problem at all. I have been very busy myself. Thanks a lot for the post! Always appreciated.

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Imagine an MS66 in an original just High Relief coin 1907 in ROMAN numerals - what that would be worth today. And then think about the poor fellow who has the worst of over 7,000 graded coins.

EVAY - evay.

:cry1:

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Sorry this is last weeks report...the new one Ill post today

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Wow what a week it has been...not many added to FS designation and finally the Regular ones have surpassed First Strikes.

And somebody is pissed off...they got a MS63:4_1_72:

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Last week:
NGC:

2009 UHR

REGULAR: MS67= 1 MS68=2 MS69=848 MS70=1174 TOTAL=2025

REGULAR MSPL: MS69=36 MS70=26 TOTAL=62


EARLY RELEASES: MS68=5 MS69=400 MS70= 593 TOTAL=998

EARLY RELEASE MSPL: MS69=11 MS70=6 TOTAL=17


GRADED TO DATE= 3103

**************************************************

This week:
NGC:

2009 UHR

REGULAR: MS67= 2; MS68=2; MS69=966; MS70=1294-TOTAL=2264

REGULAR MSPL: MS69=47; MS70=38 -TOTAL=85


EARLY RELEASES: MS68=5; MS69=400; MS70=593-TOTAL=998

EARLY RELEASE MSPL: MS69=11 MS70=7 TOTAL=18


GRADED TO DATE= 3365:36_3_12:

PCGS & NGC total grade to date: 7967 ish

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Anybody got a EARLY RELEASE NGC MS70 for sale cheap?

Say $1,900:111: Real cash that's going to worth half next year - all yours.

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This weeks report...only 4 added to First Strike and a bunch on Regulars

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Thanks rodzm. Glad to see you're still posting these updates. I feel pretty good knowing I have something that is only 1/1,500. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

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UHR 2009:

PCGS FR 2269 + REG 2408 = 4,677

NGC ER 998 + PL 18 + REG 2264 + PL 85 = 3,365

Graded to date = 8,042

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This weeks report....

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Another week and only 2 added to FS

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By popular demand...these are the latest numbers. As compared to last week there was an increase in the MS70s First Strike from 1605 to 1621. The biggest increase in weeks if not months

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So there are only 1,621 people in the world that have a MS70 that was purchased in the 1st 30 days of issue?
Glad I have one!

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Yup...Im still wondering why there is still FS being added. I guess there was some people who waited to submit their sealed boxes. I actually bought my FS eligible UHR (sealedd box) on Ebay for $1,750 when they first came out. I really wanted to have a first Strike UHR and took my chances. When i submitted it, it came back as MS70. not only that but it was my very first submission.

I guess after all paying $1,750 wasnt too bad considering there is very few of them and the typically sell between 2200 and 2400

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NGC total grade UHR = 6733

MS Regular: 62=1; 66=1; 67=6; 68=7; 69=2327; 70=2785

total = 5127

MS REG. Proof LIKE: 69=272; 70=318

total = 590


************************************************

MS Early Release: 68=5; 69=400; 70=593

total = 998

MS Early Release Proof LIKE: 69=11; 70=7


total = 18

************************************************** *

again 6733 total graded UHR by NGC

about 7228 total graded UHR by PCGS

13,961 graded by NGC & PCGS



8157 total MS70.

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You did WELL.

:ok:

And in the future - read next year, it will easily double because of the trillions they are adding to the money supply.

PS I just did a GUBMINT ball park on the supply back in 1932 they had about 30 B in the supply now it's around 20,000 B (give or take a few trillion, sadly)

so a $20 gold piece would now bring about 67 times that old 1932 price about $1,340.

Gee MONEY Christmas - isn't that the price of a CURRENT Proof Buffalo from the MINT "HOLY BUFFALO" it is!

Dang me they aughta take and rope and hang me!

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NGC total grade UHR = 9047

MS Regular: 62=1; 66=2; 67=7; 68=7; 69=3132; 70=3905

total = 7054

MS REG. Proof LIKE: 69=439; 70=538

total = 977


************************************************

MS Early Release: 68=5; 69=399; 70=594

total = 998

MS Early Release Proof LIKE: 69=11; 70=7

total = 18

************************************************** *

total graded UHR by NGC = 9047

Need PCGS numbers if ANYONE is kind enough with access to post.

TIA

Good ole HS

PS how about getting stuck with a MS62?

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pcgs: ms 63 1 ms64 2 ms65 1 ms66 2 ms67 4 ms68 21 ms69 3125 ms70 5226 Total Graded 8382

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i see on ampex that the ones still in the box are higher in price then the ones graded

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That's because roughly 70% get the grade of MS70 when sent in.

The MS69s GRADES are dead set in "stone" like a grave marker - 99.9% worth.

I'm figuring that only 20% have been sent in to date.


2010 will be the KEY. We need to keep this going for about 13 months. HS

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Latest PCGS numbers
http://goldismoney.info/forums/attac...8&d=1257978134

http://goldismoney.info/forums/attac...9&d=1257978134

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NGC & PCGS = 19,809 UHR graded to recently.

about 20%.

Thanks fellow friends.

Compare that to 150,000 graded Buffalos 2009 (plain stinkin' bullion ones!)

Just from NGC alone:signs14:

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Damn, I so want to buy one. Does anyone think its worth paying $2100 for a MS70 first strike on eBay (shown below):

http://i717.photobucket.com/albums/w...t/IMG_2565.jpg

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Of course it's worth it.

Disclaimer: I'm a bit biased as I am the own of a PCGS First Strike MS70 :coolbeer:

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Dang I hurried to buy it and it was gone. Oh well to the quick & dirty goes the reward.

I'm still DEPRESSED though!

:4_1_72::4_1_72::4_1_72::4_1_72:

I hope I can sleep tonight!

Now if the lucky guy wants to make a quick $100, :ok::ok:
email me. Yeah right? :sarc:

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Yeah, I'm just wondering if its worth the premium over a mint one. I really like the looks of it, and the one on eBay has a nice shine to it.

HistoryStudent, do you know the population on the PCGS MS70 FS UHR's?

Thanks

EDIT: Just noticed the post on the last page. Only 1627, might be worth it after all.

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I see that the First Strike and the Early Releases do bring a slight premium.

NGC & PCGS have started a rather money making side business making SPECIAL TAGS for an MS coin that make it worth a tad more too.

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I see that UHR now have HIT over

103,000 POPULATION in total.

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Pfffffffffftttttttttttttttttt..................tha t's IT!!!!


Now the damn thing is useless...................


I am going to smelt mine in a pan on the stove for the metal!!!


:pissedoff:








Riiiiiiiiiiiight....................hey, let them go to 150,000............thats STILL all there will ever be divided up amongst how many MILLION collectors???

But I really DO appreciate the updates on this one!!!

Cheers!
:wink:

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HS yelling ...

"NO MASTER HO send it to me - I'll send you spot for it - last March SPOT
$750.00"
:Surrender::504:

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I WOULD.........

.......but I have all these tungsten bars that need covering................








:fan:

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Master ...........

Ho............

Is like a GOLDMAN SACKS undercover agent "Master_Ho James Bond, right?"

Don't worry if you melt enough you'll cover the past sins,

HS

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Sins??


I prefer to think of them as tiny little fumbles...........